Friday, August 8, 2008

Elemental Analysis Part II- Air and Earth

In some ways it's easier to capture the Earth and Air tones, but in some ways it's harder. For example, Earth is stripped down but the production and recording techniques play a huge role in the sound. Air uses less modulation and ambient background effects, but has a slick production and lots of reverb (which isn't smart to use in a live situation).

Air and Water are probably the 2 most similar elements in the Index in their use of ambiance and effects. The difference, as Teppei has pointed out is that Water uses lots of modulation to achieve ambiance, while the Air tone is dripping with delay and reverb.

The tones are for the most part clean, with one wobbly, fuzz-laden exception: the end of Broken Lungs. Since the beginning, I've been thinking that the crazy fuzztone used there is Dustin's Zvex Fuzz Factory and at this point I'm 99% sure. Listening to the recent Myspace Transmissions release, Teppei plays the E and C chord booming fuzz part but it doesn't sound much like the album version. It's simple why... Teppei doesn't use a Fuzz Factory and if you've played a Fuzz Factory you'll know that it's pretty damn near impossible to nail some of the tones with other pedals.

The typical clean tones on the rest of the album are very sparkly and chiming and, as I said, are given an airy ambiance with healthy doses of delay and reverb. As you know from reading the pedalboard articles, each member was using a Line 6 DL-4 pedal for the album (with Eddie and Teppei still using them now) and these seem to be on nearly all the time gently adding to the tone. Lots of reverb was used on the album, but it isn't wise to use in a live situation as it muddies the tone quite a bit due to the room's natural reverb. In live shows, this reverb has been replaced with more prominent delay.

If you are looking for Air tones, I'd recommend a single coil guitar through an amp with nice treble and a bit of sparkle (I'm pretty sure Teppei used an AC30 for most of the EP, while the Bassman is getting use for these songs now). Effects wise, I'll stress again that for Thrice tones from Vheissu onward you must get a delay pedal. While they use digital delay, I think they use mostly analog simulation, and my MXR Carbon Copy works very well in adding the right delay ambience. Like I said, reverb is a bad idea in most live situations, but if you're at home it can help your tone. Lots of amps already have good sounding reverb, but if yours doesn't and you really want a reverb drenched air tone (and delay doesn't do the trick) I'd say go for an EHX Holy Grail pedal.

Earth, in theory is the easiest EP to nail with your own tone since it's mostly acoustic, but there's a warm, at-home feeling from the stripped-down production that is impossible to totally recreate live (maybe you can get close if you play in a bathroom or something, haha). The production on this EP is really cool (including the burying of a microphone in a "coffin" for Child Of Dust, which is maybe the most powerful studio technique I've ever heard. There's a picture of that (from Thrice's blog) below. The electric guitar comes into play only once, during Teppei's leads for Come All You Weary. This tone is pure Vox AC30 and Telecaster twang. In live settings, Teppei plays his Tele and Fender Bassman amp for this (neck pickup), and adds a bit of delay for a spacy feel that helps capture the album's vibe.

For the rest of the album, just grab your acoustic, throw some wood in the campfire and sing the night away!

To wrap things up, here's a quick summary of how to get the great tones from the Alchemy Index:
  • Use a single coil equipped guitar!
  • A good, clean tube amp would help greatly.
  • For fiery JCM800 type distortion, check out the MI Audio Crunch Box.
  • A phaser or flanger coupled with delay and a clean amp will get you a great watery tone.
  • If you can't get enough of the bomb-like fuzz in Broken Lungs (or just want a killer, versatile fuzz to mess with), grab a ZVEX Fuzz Factory.
  • For playing at home, reverb can help with Water and Air's spacy ambience, but it's a big no-no for live playing. Delay is perfect for live use (as well as home use).
  • For earth tones, play acoustic guitar and sing around a campfire (preferably during the night and with good friends). Turn the "Kumbaya knob" up to 11! (I stole that last line from Thrice's blog, haha)


Anonymous said...

Is it true that Teppei's blonde tele is using all stock pups? Loving the twang+sparkle...

Mike said...

I can't say with 100% certainty, but I think so. After all, it is a high-end Nash clone. It certainly sounds like a stock early 50s Tele.

I agree completely about the sparkly twang. Sounds excellent, especially through his Bassman.

Joe said...

this blog is fabulous. great read man

Sean said...

alchemy analysis all done. Love the whole "how to get this or that sound"-summary you did at the end. Anyways. Will you be doin any other articles like it? Analyse other albums? Lyrics? I've no doubt you'd do it brilliantly and it'd be a great read. thanks again for a great site!

Russell said...

Love all that you've done Mike. As far as the teppeicaster using stock Pups, thats doubtful since nash doesn't have a "stock pickup." When you order a custom Nash (like thrice is able to do) you specify what kind of pickup you want in it (an example would be dustin using the p-90 in the neck). Judging from the sound, I would guess that Teppei is either using Lindy Fralin blues specials or Lace Sensors in his tele. Again its impossible to be sure by sight or by sound, so the way this will be resolved is by Teppei actually revealing it. for that matter I'm intrigued to know exactly what pups dustin is using in his new nash tele. Thanks again mike!!!

Russell said...

Mike, one more thing that I have newly realized. Either there has been work done to Dustins new black Nash tele, or (the more likely case) i have crap for night vision and was totally wrong about the p-90 in the neck pickup. Sorry to have been so misleading, but someone on the thricefans forums (replacement for thricescene) just saw them at edgefest and got some great pictures that show his black worn nash t-series guitar clearly wth a normal covered telecaster pickup. Yay for mistakes!

Sean said...

What going on? Been awfully quiet recently. We won't more top class thrice articles! :P

Anonymous said...

Can you do a post about the pianos and keyboard that guys use.Keep this up! It's awesome!!!

Alex said...

Hey big guy, I'm just curious how you get all this info. I thought i was one of the biggest thrice fans, then i ran into your website. I think its awesome.

Mike said...

Hey guys, thanks for the support (and Russell for flooring me with guitar knowledge, as usual, haha).

I just made a new post that discusses why it's been so quiet around here- sorry about that.

As for where I get my info: I try to get it from pictures, video footage and interviews. Just studying up on what's out there and trying to figure everything out. I've been wrong numerous times, so it's all to be taken with a small grain of salt... but for the most part, it's pretty solid. I just wanted there to be a resource for Thrice's gear- and since nobody else made one, that left me to do it!

Sean said...

Hey Mike. You posted something about you owning an mxr carbon copy. If got the opportunity to buy a used one real cheap. What's it like? Soundwise, reliability and most of all, does it handles oscillation well enough? :P

Russell Applin said...

Oooook well I have solved a little bit of a riddle. Dustin did during the Circa Tour have a p-90 or other soapbar pup in his nash tele. I found pictures. However, between that tour and edgefest, He must have swapped it out for a traditional covered tele single coil. I have no info on it at this point. I need to see them live again just to see if the change was permanent.

Anonymous said...

"...The electric guitar comes into play only once, during Teppei's leads for Come All You Weary. This tone is pure Vox AC30 and Telecaster twang..."
As far as I know Teppei used his Epi Casino for Come all you weary... and so, I think that Dustin on the live shows uses his Tele with Line6 variax electronics, isn't he?? there was something about it in the HoB interview...
anyway, good website, for a Thrice-addicted guy like me it's great to read your thoughts about their sound.
Keep on;)